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There is a lot of noise in the media the last few days about the President of the Ngabe Bugle congress who is accused of corruption and has been being punished by being held in heavy stocks.

http://www.telemetro.com/nacionales/Presidente-Congreso-General-Ngabe-Bugle_3_1010628937.html

 

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Why haven't they done that to Martinelli?  He certainly deserves it.

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Indigenous Ngäbe Buglé oppose elimination of the 'trap'

Indigenous Nole Duima And Besigo, in the Ngäbe Buglé, claimed that the use of the "cepo" or "trap" as social and community punishment, should not be deleted, because it represents a quick and effective way to punish offenses within their communities.

The use of this punishment, which is up to two hours, the legs or the hands of those punished between the holes of two planks of wood, has been generating opinions against and favor, especially for violating human rights and freedom.

For indigenous peoples, the "trap" presupposes that the offender faces quickly and effectively his punishment, that after it is inserted directly to the community, being forgiven of their sins.

http://www.tvn-2.com/nacionales/provincias/Indigenas-Ngabe-Bugle-oponen-eliminacion_0_4720777926.html

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It would certainly seem to fall under the definition of "cruel and unusual punishmenl".  But that's the U.S. constitution's phrase, not Panama's.

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4 minutes ago, JudyS said:

It would certainly seem to fall under the definition of "cruel and unusual punishmenl".  But that's the U.S. constitution's phrase, not Panama's.

Sorry, but after seeing the photos from Abu Ghraib I have a whole new concept of "cruel and unusual punishment" as defined by the U.S.

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One bad thing doesn't negate another.  Those Abu Ghraib torturers were not following the intent of the U.S. Constitution.  They were sadists acting out their sick pleasures.

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On 3/24/2017 at 11:24 AM, JudyS said:

Why haven't they done that to Martinelli?  He certainly deserves it.

JudyS

Not only Martinelli but a lot of corrupt politicians we have in this country.

 

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17 hours ago, JudyS said:

It would certainly seem to fall under the definition of "cruel and unusual punishmenl".  But that's the U.S. constitution's phrase, not Panama's.

JudyS

It is not Panama.  It is the Ngabe Bugle Comarca and the problem seems to be that they claimed it belongs to their culture and should be respected as such by the rest of the panamanians.

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Some PURIST in Panama's society claims that this is a cultural issue and should the left as it is because it is something inherent to Ngabe Cultural heritage.   

For me cultural stuff are their stories, their language, their crafts, arts, etc.  This kind of way of justice shouldnt be considered part of a cultural practice and should be seriously addressed.   Mayans and other tribes did human sacrifices and because it is their cultural heritage should we promote those practices??  I dont think so.  But this is the recent discussion in Panama.

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What if they tied women accused of being witches to ducking stools and allowed them to drown, like they used to do in Salem.  Or what if they were drawing and quartering people.  Would those be OK cultural practices?   There is a point where a line must be drawn.

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19 hours ago, JudyS said:

One bad thing doesn't negate another.  Those Abu Ghraib torturers were not following the intent of the U.S. Constitution.  They were sadists acting out their sick pleasures.

How about water boarding?

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