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      The Boquete Feria de Las Flores y del Café   01/12/2017

      The Boquete Feria de Las Flores y del Café begins Thursday, January 12th and runs until Sunday, January 22nd. For those who have not yet seen -- and experienced -- this magnificent fair, you are in for a treat, and some inconveniences. Most importantly, you must see all of the flowers and the tiendas at and around the Fair Grounds here in Boquete.  During these eleven days you also need to be extremely careful, especially while driving and in planning your activities. In recent years there have been well in excess of 100,000 visitors to Boquete. Last year that number was closer to 200,000, and some predictions for 2017's Fair are closer to 300,000 people coming to our area to see the Fair. Traffic congestion will be the norm. Getting seats in restaurants will be difficult at times. Parking spaces will essentially be nonexistent. Buying groceries may be difficult and time consuming. Busses will be parked on the side streets, making driving difficult. There will be lots (as in LOTS) of people walking, standing around the bridge and the Feria and the many tiendas (small shops and stands [kiosks]) while taking pictures, talking, viewing the scenery, etc. Please be extremely attentive while driving, and drive slowly. Some streets will be blocked and require passes to use them. Other streets will simply be blocked based on congestion. Please be careful of your personal items, such as purses and wallets. Having so many people in one area creates a prime target for pickpockets and other maliantes to do their thing. To repeat, most importantly, you must see all of the flowers and the tiendas at and around the Fair Grounds here in Boquete.  Three closing thoughts. First: enjoy. Second: be safe. Third: you might wish to post your pictures, comments, reviews, etc., here on CL (start a topic or reply to an existing topic in http://www.chiriqui.life/forum/118-boquete-feria-de-las-flores-y-del-café/).   To provide general feedback or ask for help regarding Chiriqui.Life, please leave a posting in Problems, Feedback and Suggestions or email support@chiriqui.life or private message to @Admin_01.

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  1. Why Planet Telecom is NOT renewing its advertising with Boquete.ning. We were solicited last night by the owners of Boquete.ning to participate in an advertising program. As current advertisers, we were expecting this, as our ad is set to expire at the end of the year. My response to them was unequivocal, and with the backing of Planet Telecom's shareholders, we responded, both via email, and on ning itself. Needless to say, our response on ning was quickly removed, and I was... eventually banned from the site. This speaks volumes about JLM's intolerance for dissent, and their absolute desire to control the message at all costs. Here's what we responded: We have been following very closely the development of Boquete.ning under the new ownership and management. Thus far, we have seen a vibrant, interesting and useful resource turn into a platitudinous and vacuous forum where all content remotely critical of the changes is treated with immediate censorship and "disappearance" under the guise of moderation. It has become, in our minds, a virtual North Korea. The misguided and expedient efforts to mold the content of ning speak of a general disregard for ning's most precious asset - its contributing members. Good friends and clients have been banned, others silenced. These are people who have lived here many years, and have contributed richly to both local and expat life in Chiriqui. Moreover, the overall member attitudes towards ning has shifted from "the place to be" to the dustbin of cyber irrelevance, in the inglorious company of Panama-Guide.com, bananamarepublic and others . It is Voltaire who famously said, "Monsieur l’abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire." Sadly, JLM Foundation has failed to heed those eternal words - words which encompass our philosophy and values. Whenever our company was criticized on ning or elsewhere, we respond - not with a surreptitious call to Lee to have the critical posts deleted (the vulgarity of such a gesture would be unimaginable), but with our candid explanation and response. This has garnered the respect of the community - and of our clients. We sincerely believe the new administration bears the responsibility for this deterioration. The advertising asset known as ning, has in our estimation been significantly impaired to a point of no longer being a viable platform for Planet Telecom. Please remove our ad at the end of the term.
    8 Points
  2. Gordon Bakke

    Boquete.ning; the long goodbye

    Actually, still a lot of entertainment value here, as Olga desperately tries to present odd subjects, and a few of the remaining members respond with satirical offerings of their own - repeating Olga's ridicules line; "You must read and comment on this". Hahaha.....Richard Simmons, indeed....lol.....
    6 Points
  3. Bonnie

    Expatriate colonization in Panama

    I recently became aware of the following article by Eric Jackson on his Panama English News site. I am posting it here not to provoke a conflagration or to disparage particular persons but because it is a historically based, provocative perspective on how certain types of expatriates have affected and potentially could affect this country. OPINION - Eric JacksonColonization: a touchy subject that Panama should not just ignoreIn collaboration with some Panamanian law firms, “offshore asset protection” outfits and real estate salespeople, plus another American named Daniel Daves, Wiles has prompted a migration to Boquete of Americans who believe in these primitive sorts of hatreds and are prepared to evade the immigration, labor and weapons laws of the Republic of Panama. Quotations by Rick Wiles, graphic by The Advocate. October 20, 2015 (The Panama News) By Eric Jackson Take the Wayback Machine to Panama City in 1856, when the California Gold Rush was still underway, the Dred Scott case was percolating in the American courts toward the next year’s decision that would do so much to provoke a bloody civil war, and this gringo named Jack Oliver thought it appropriate to steal from an Afro-Panamanian fruit vendor, and to introduce a gun into the argument when the vendor objected. Dozens of people, mostly Americans, were killed and the first of several US military invasions of Panama ensued. Fast forward to 2014. This gringo named Sage Million was one of the “sovereign citizens” who colonized the El Volcan area. The sovereign citizens have many variations on a rap that began with a white supremacist group that calls itself the Posse Comitatus (not to be confused with a US law of that name). That routine originally went that because the rebellious states of the old Confederacy were obliged to adopt state constitutions that ratified the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution as a prerequisite for readmission to the Union, those amendments and all US constitutional changes that came thereafter, and the very existence of the federal government. and the things that it does and has done, are illegitimate, null and void. Consider that the 13th Amendment abolished slavery to know how reactionary that is. Consider that the 14th Amendment provides among other things that every person born in the United States is a US citizen to know how reactionary Donald Trump is. But there are other strains of sovereign citizens who say that it wasn’t until the 17th Amendment in 1913, which provides for direct election of US senators, or the 1934 Gold Reserve Act, that the national government became “unconstitutional.” In any case, the sovereign citizen rap is that by the time that Hawaii became a state in 1959 everything that the US federal government did was illegitimate. That being so, Mr. Million figured, Hawaiian statehood and Hawaii’s state laws are illegitimate, ESPECIALLY the one giving rise to the warrant for his arrest for allegedly having sexual relations with a 10-year-old girl. He also considered himself so personally sovereign that Panamanian and Costa Rican borders didn’t apply to him. In the course of an illegal border crossing Panama’s SENAFRONT arrested him and the US embassy notified Panama of the state warrant for his arrest. Just one short-eye perv who’s a bit crazier than most? Well, that too, but Sage Million had both open and silent supporters in the gringo community here. That’s scary, because some modern-day Jack Oliver who considers that young cholas have no rights that a white gringo is bound to respect could rather quickly inflame the deadliest of passions. A mob enraged about something like that may not inquire about what sort of American they would be attacking, especially if the ultra-right element of the gringo community shoves its way in front of the TV cameras and represents itself as the voice of all Americans here. So is it just a matter for amusement when dozens of American families heed a call by Rick Wiles and Daniel Daves to drop everything in the USA and head to Panama, and then they start to show up in Boquete? Consider that they are not just urging senior citizens to come retire here. Many of the people who have come to Boquete due to the urging of Wiles and Daves are working age Americans who are not millionaires and won’t qualify for pensionado, investor or special professional visas. They are coming here intending to violate Panamanian labor and immigration laws. And what about the advice that Daves gives his followers about protecting themselves? He not only says that every “Christian” of his variety ought to be packing a gun, he’s advising people to get portable anti-aircraft weapons to shoot down drones. Panama is conflicted about gun policies at the moment, and perhaps our Security Minister Rodolfo Aguilera is so far off the deep end as to like the idea of foreigners who are illegally here carrying surface-to-air weapons around. Were the National Police interested in a military coup, that sort of thinking around the cabinet table would be a readily available excuse. But although I think that Aguilera gets his information from Hollywood fiction to an extent unacceptable in a Panamanian government minister, I don’t think he’s for gringo fanatics going around Panama armed with weapons of war. But hey — just because Panamanian law provides that preaching ethnic, political, racial or religious hatred is a deportable offense if a foreigner does it, our gay, lesbian and transgendered citizens are “fair game” here. In Panama it’s “legal” to hate queers. Plus, one of the questions that is not looked into during this country’s immigration procedures is whether the applicant suffers from paranoid delusions. Set aside all of the creepy xenophobia that comes from legislator Zulay Rodríguez’s mouth — but all resident gringos should be aware of the threat that it represents in the presence of American extremists in Panama. And for those of us who are citizens, whether or not duals like me, there is a duty to Panama’s sovereignty — not only from hostile nations but also from individuals who consider themselves to be sovereign powers superior to the Panamanian people and to the flawed republic that happens to be the only one we have. Balance those things against the universal human right to believe in whatever stupid thing that you want to believe. It’s not the first occasion for Panama to balance such considerations. But I think that if Wiles or Daves are found in this country, they should be arrested for illicit association to violate a number of Panamanian laws, and that all of their followers who have come here or seek to come here should be carefully examined on an individual basis. Panama really needs a better defined and more consistent policy about these sorts of colonizations.
    6 Points
  4. Bud

    ARF Thanksgiving Meal

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    Marcelyn and I were participants in ARF's Thanksgiving Day event at the Animales Building. There was a LOT of VERY GOOD food, great conversations, visits with friends, etc. We estimate there were about 70 guests and maybe 15 worker-bees taking care of setting up, tending to the guests, etc. The background music was nice, and not so loud as to intrude into the conversations. The pecan pie was simply outstanding. Kudos to that chef! But I also do not want to take away from any of the other food items. I sampled all the food choices, and there was nothing to apologize for on that front. An unexpected plus for us was that we finally got to meet Beth Abrahams (it is kind of a long story, don't ask). Beth Abrahams We also got to catch up with all of the latest travels and happenings of our friends who were at our table. Met a few new people, etc. There simply was nothing that we could fault (not our goal anyway). This is the way things should be done, and ARF did it with all of their wonderful volunteers. If someone found fault with something yesterday, then I would chalk them off as being a token curmudgeon. Thank you ARF! GREAT JOB!!!! Thank you to all who helped make yesterday's Thanksgiving Day celebration such a huge success, and special thanks to N&N: I will close with: we all have a lot to be thankful for.
    5 Points
  5. Roger B

    Keeping It Classy On Boquete.ning

    Danielle It is interesting your response. My age and experience let me understand peoples writting because it reflects, in most of the cases, the way the person thinks. First. I would like that you send me only one, just one proof, that I posted a disrespectful comment of anybody here, on Boquete.Ning or any other forum. So if you dont know me you cant talk about me. So this is the first lie you are writting and implying. I am not an expat. That is right. I am not living in Boquete, that is right. But I am a panamanian citizen and this is my country so I think that I cant participate in any forum I would like. You dont know. You dont know if I have family living in Chiriqui. You dont know if I have family or relatives living in Boquete. If you can read you should notice that most of my posting have the goal of helping expats living in this, my imperfect country, how to understand things, procedures, culture, customs, laws, etc. So I dont think that you are the person who has a right to disqualify me to post and participate in this forum that is located in my country. In my more than 4 years of being posting in Boquete and Chiriqui forums I have always received good words of the owners of the forums. I did exchange calls and personal email with Lee Seltzer. I know PERSONALLY the owner of this forum. So I am sorry if you dont like me be around because you are disqualifying me to be here.
    5 Points
  6. Bonnie

    My Experience Dealing with Death in Panama

    My husband died in Hospital Chiriqui on June 22, 2016. Fortunately, I had attended the class sponsored by Boquete Hospice and Heath Care Foundation on the subject of how to prepare for death in Panama so as to satisfy government requirements and facilitate arrangements required of one's next of kin or designated representative. On the whole, the procedures are as outlined by Hospice, and I encourage everyone who has not already to retrieve the various forms from the Hospice website [www. boquetehospice.org/ ], complete them, and put them where they are available to whoever will be handling your affairs following your passing. I will concentrate in this post on procedures I found to be somewhat different from the advice given by Hospice and on those which I found to be extraordinarily important. The importance of having a "living will" cannot be overstated. My husband was hospitalized for 16 days, in and out of intensive care. On day 12 or thereabouts, he was moved from intensive care back to his room in a regular ward, and the doctor informed me that all his organs were failing and that he would not recover. Nevertheless, he was hooked up to a ventilator, and kidney dialysis was scheduled for later that day. He was on intravenous morphine and was unconscious, and had been for several days. I produced his living will, the doctor perused it carefully and checked with hospital administration/legal. The hospital agreed to honor it. My husband died peacefully--still unconscious and still on morphine--four days later. Gracias a Dios, I had gone to trouble and expense of having living wills for both of us drawn up by our lawyer less than a year previously. It is my understanding that only living wills that are in Spanish and that are executed by a lawyer--with all the appropriate embossing, stamps, and signatures--are honored by the Panama medical community. Don't put this off, and, however tight your budget may be, find the money in it to pay for this important document. I found the Hospice written materials somewhat unclear about two documents required for the funeral home and the Electoral Tribunal. The funeral home will issue the death certificate, but only upon the presentation of a different certificate or declaration of death issued by the attending physician. Sometimes, I understand, the doctor himself will deliver this declaration to the funeral home, particularly in Boquete. In my case, where the death was in a hospital in David, I was responsible for getting this declaration from the doctor and taking it with me to the funeral home. Perhaps routinely or perhaps fortunately, my doctor had it prepared and waiting for me at the nurse's station in the hospital. I took it, as well as other paperwork recommended by Hospice, to the funeral home (Funeraria del Retiro, in my case), where I graciously was met by Pedro Gonzalez, my insurance agent, who served as translator and witness. (My son also was with me, but he was ineligible to service as a witness because he is not a resident of Panama.) I paid for the services of the funeral home, the cremation, and copies of the death certificate (in cash), signed some papers, and was on my way in just over 30 minutes. The funeral home handled all the paperwork with the Tribunal Electoral, so these steps as outlined by Hospice were unnecessary. After I reported the death to the U.S. Embassy in Panama City, the Embassy sent me multiple copies of a document entitled "Report of the Death of an American Citizen Abroad." This is invaluable when dealing the entities in the U.S. (insurance companies, banks, credit card companies, etc.) because it is in English. The Embassy took the necessary steps to stop social security payments. Finally, I would like to put in a plug for having maximum insurance coverage. I never saw the bill (and don't want to) because my insurance paid it in full directly to the hospital. It had to have been enormous, particularly since my husband spent so much time in intensive care. As an example, I noted on the bottle of morphine that it costs $500, and I'm sure he received more than one bottle intravenously over a 24-hour period, and he received morphine for at least 12 days. It's my understanding that the public hospital does not provide morphine free of charge, so without adequate insurance or cash reserves, a patient may undergo substantial suffering. The care at Hospital Chiriqui was excellent, particularly in intensive care, and the two doctors handling my husband's case were superb. They were available at any time, were communicative, were forthright, and were very caring. All of this relieved much of the burden that accompanies so emotionally draining an experience. In short, because we decided to make the financial sacrifice and purchase good health insurance, both my husband's suffering and my own were greatly ameliorated. I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to thank the Boquete community for all of its support via phone calls, emails, and personal visits. And a special thanks goes to my friends who brought food to the house so that my son and I could return home to a good meal after a long, trying day at the hospital. I have endeavored to thank folks individually, but it's likely that someone was missed. So a heartfelt thanks to everyone for being so kind and supportive.
    5 Points
  7. WryAwry

    My Experience Dealing with Death in Panama

    Dear Bonnie, It strikes that one of the most important aspects of existence in life is a fundamental recognition of the simple fact that our time here on this beautiful earth is limited; that for each and every one of us, one journey ends, and the sendero to the next begins in a place we cannot know and will never fully understand. In my own reckoning, to pursue life and living is to pursue dignity and honor, and your actions and your words demonstrate the very essence of honor and dignity as you and your loved ones face the difficult realities of your beloved husband's passing. May I be so bold as to salute your grace and aplomb in this most trying of times, and may the strength of your character sustain you with ease and grace in those moments when you most need them. With deepest respect, Dav
    5 Points
  8. Dear People, I'm so sorry to have omitted important information, when posting news of Parmigiano's 35% discount for lunch dishes on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, ending June 30, 2016. Beverages are not included in this offer. This offer cannot be combined with any other discount or offer. Parmigiano Restaurant is located in Boquete, diagonally across from Sugar and Spice, on the right side of the road, just after The Fish House, when leaving town and driving toward David. Conversely, it is approximately 300 meters after Hotel Fundadores, on the left, when entering Boquete, driving from David. I take full responsibility for this oversight. 'Twasn't Penny's doing or Parmigiano's, for that matter. I wrote the blurb and posted it. Thank you for your patience. Barbara Phillips, Alto Dorado, Boquete, Chiriqui, Panamá.
    5 Points
  9. Keith Woolford

    Best Wishes for 2016

    Best Wishes at New Year's are generally directed at another person's health and prosperity, and I pass them on to all. Mine often include a word or two about all of humanity living in peace and harmony, and I pass those on to you, too. Perhaps not my best, but maybe one of my better wishes this year, is for less acrimonious and non-productive content to be posted by all members of the local online community. I'm passing that on as well.
    5 Points
  10. Woody

    Boquete.ning; the long goodbye

    My thoughts were that the poster was simply doing a parody of the direction Ning had taken. He had another post about a guy who started dealing in marijuana to get enough money to buy his girlfriend a boob job. I might be wrong about it being parody, but I don't think so. I also think that Olga must be getting paid by the word. I pity her husband if the incessant babbling is her normal persona.
    5 Points
  11. Woody

    Tabloids Find a New Home

    Hey, this wouldn't be a real discussion without a counterpoint or two, so I will offer up some. Ahh, I can almost feel the negative reputation votes getting ready to smother my good name ;-) This topic peaked my curiosity so I checked Ning to catch up on the happenings there. For sure, that woman can talk and talk and talk and talk. I got a serious headache reading through all of it. But, then I realized that she's generating lots of discussion and I'm sure the hits on the site are going up again. And, even better, I could hardly find any juvenile comments from Ambreen or the the shills they were using in September and October to make happy happy happy time. So, I guess what I'm saying is that I think Olga is what the site needed to survive. She's got boundless energy and is stimulating a lot of discussion. It may be useless discussion, but nonetheless it's active. OK, I can't wait to see if my cumulative reputation will still be green when I wake up in the morning.
    5 Points
  12. Thanks Woody. Like I said in the intro, this is something we've been looking at for a long time. But when people like Fran Hogan, Don Ray Williams et al, are banned from the site for saying things that don't mesh with the owner's point of view, there's a problem. I've known Fran since I moved here in 2006, and I've read Don Ray since probably 2004-2005. These are reasonable people with only the best intentions in mind. Both have contributed greatly to well-being of the province. I understand that some online behaviour can become problematic, so I can sympathize with the challenge of moderation. Sadly, we need to have some level of control over the more outrageous expressions online. This is where a steady hand at the helm is necessary for people to feel comfortable in the forum - whilst encouraging free expression. In terms of our decision, we initially bought this ad as part of a Bid4Boquete auction, Lee had donated the ad space, and we bought it, with the $600 fee going to Bid4Boquete. Our feeling was therefore that JLM was not profiting financially from our advertising, so there was no major moral quandary for us. Having said that, the perception among users would be different - and that needed to be reconciled with the fact that we had paid for advertising, and were getting some value from it. I really appreciate your feedback, and your business.
    5 Points
  13. Brundageba

    Keeping It Classy On Boquete.ning

    For many of us here Danielle who have resided here close to a decade or more, the .NING site was the respected go-to spot for information for new residents and as well those looking to be new residents. The help that came from the site was enormous. Sadly Lee Zeltzer passed away and the site changed hands. With that came the ousting of many of the old guard posters on the site...respected folks in our community! I guess for those of us that were ousted or left voluntarily because to that ousting, we still have some nostalgia for what we remember as Lee's .Ning. Many of us go back from time to time to see what's new there. To see what is left in print on .NING which is so hateful towards a group of people gets a reaction from us. Antisemitism. Lee Zeltzer who founded and ran the site was born Jewish. He'd not let that kind of diatribe fly...we all know that, whether it be anti-Jewish or anti-anything that denigrates a group of people ...it just would not fly with him. So of course we all react. It's only natural.
    4 Points
  14. Keith Woolford

    Keeping It Classy On Boquete.ning

    Excuse me, but Rogelio Bellido is an online friend for many years and is a member of this site, as equal as any other. There is no import as to his nationality or place of residence. His comments and input are appreciated by me no matter where he posts them.
    4 Points
  15. Roger B

    "Water Works" Project Boquete District

    What I like about this is that I see the community very well interested in the project and participating actively with the authorities when a concern and doubts arise. People have become the Project's inspector. That is good. It is the way to address any problem that could affect the good performance of the project in the future. The contractor is aware that people are concerned and vigilant of the work they are doing. All of you keep doing it. I have seen in other parts of Panama that people do not participate in checking the projects and denouncing anything bad happening and then start complaining when the job is finished and very difficult to address the problem. Good Job!!
    4 Points
  16. Yesterday, July 31, Anouk (our 2 year old rescue Husky) was scheduled for the Amigos de Animales spay/neuter clinic. We arrived an hour and a half earlier than the appointed start time and discovered other pet owners with their animals already waiting in the parking lot. Anouk was excited. A novel car ride, no food or water since last evening, and other dogs barking caused her to jump around inside the vehicle. Not an easy task trying to calm her. Finally she takes a nap. We were fortunate to be assigned a low number for the surgery line. Bud waited in the registration area and I stayed with Anouk in the car. Some drivers came speeding into the lot and parked close to the building to unload their crates containing dogs and cats. The scene that caught my attention and touched my heart was the Indigenous family that walked to the clinic with the little boy carrying his special pet dog. At the appointed hour, volunteers put equipment (e.g., cages, etc.) in place, opened the doors, and the program began. First step was a short registration procedure, which Bud took care of while I sat with Anouk in the car. Lots of people, noisy animals, and all kinds of activity -- but well organized. I was impressed how helpful and friendly all volunteers and team members were. Mr. Huff (don't know his first name) explained the routine. We watched and accompanied Anouk as she started through the process. That the helpers knew their role and the routine of animals moving along the surgery line was obvious. A well organized and trained staff of people were at their assigned stations, starting with Dra Chely administrating the anesthesia, others shaving the animal before surgery, tattooing the letter "S" in the animal's ear, hand carrying the dog or cat to the appropriate surgery table for the operation, and then making certain each patient received an injection of vitamins and antibiotics before receiving individual monitoring and rubbing on the "wake-up" blankets. Dra "Ingrid" (don't know her full name) was the vet that operated on Anouk. Sigrid was the attendant who took good care of Anouk at the recovery station, petting her, checking vital signs, etc., until Anouk was awake enough to go home. A "trolley" carried our 40 plus pound dog to our vehicle and placed her (half asleep) in the back of the SUV for the trip home. Anouk doesn't like it, but after getting her home we placed a bonnet (parabolic collar) around her neck to keep her from scratching or licking her wound. We had already purchased such a collar at Melo based on recommendations of some friends. We hope this helps in the healing process. Now the job is trying to keep her quiet (no cat chasing) for the next several days! Here are some pictures that Bud took with his iPhone during our time at the Clinic. The shaving/preparation station. (That is Anouk, out like a light). The tattoo station (that is not Anouk, but another pet, and another awaiting the procedure). Anouk on the operating stand with Dra "Ingrid" and a helper. Some of the volunteers at the recovery station with a small kitten. Magaly, part of Anouk's "rescue team". Magaly is super nice and so helpful. (Well, actually all the volunteers were wonderful!) Magaly is very special to us because she is one of the people who brought Anouk into our lives. Marcelyn looking after Anouk at the post-surgery clean up station, and also where some shots are administered. Sigrid helping bring Anouk back to the real world, and checking vital signs, etc.
    4 Points
  17. Keith Woolford

    Let's Not Do Politics

    If I run across reports of local or regional current events, I'm inclined to take a few minutes to share with others. It's information.
    4 Points
  18. Hello: MarieElanie yes it is very probable there will be biometric data collected. Price depends on the nationality. To make it simple: 1- Those who travel to Panama with an air ticket, and do not require visa, Decree 167 attached states it is $517.00. 2- For those that require stamped visa in Panama's Consulate abroad before entering Panama, those will pay $1,022.00, and 3- Those who require stamped Visas to enter Panama after verification by Panama's Homeland Security Council, those are restricted nationalities (Cuba, India, China, etc) those pay $2,102.00. Reading thoroughly Decree 167 of 2016 already states that when this 2 year permits expire, ID's may be extended with requirements based on Executive Decree 169 of 2015 (which has almost the same requirements and prices). But, eligibility seems to depend on having entered one year before June 3 of 2016 to Panama. As I said before the government has not clarified the matter. Give me your like, if this helped will ya? Carmen Pan Global Legal Services
    4 Points
  19. Roger B

    Who Joins Boquete Ning?

    Danielle/Olga With all the due respect I dont think that having lived some years in Panama and having been married with a Panamanian give her the truth about Panama and Panamanians. She has written so many things that are not correct, biased and with wrong and false information. I did posted a couple of times some corrections of her posting but .... looks like she didnt like it to much. That is why I did mainly participated at Boquete.Ning. Just to clarify facts and information given wrongly to the members. But you know what I got tired of this and did not really care any more. I was one of the couple of real panamanian participating at Boquete.ning giving information, facts and help to many members of NIng.
    4 Points
  20. Hil

    Vietnam

    Vietnam 45 years and 20 days ago I came home. Would I do it again? NO WHY? This war had nothing to do with our national interest or in defense of our nation. Unjustified wars kill innocent soldiers and civilians. Are there justified wars? Yes. 45 years and 20 days ago I came home to the USA. Too many sleepless nights with nightmares in the past 45 years. Have a nice memorial day everyone. LikeShow more reactions CommentShare
    4 Points
  21. Under Lee's guidance, participation, collaboration, and even dissension were encouraged which provided a wealth of information and a broad spectrum of opinion. All of which made .ning a true community forum, imo. I also miss our always friendly chats and verbal jousts that were exchanged when we would bump into each other.
    4 Points
  22. Abigayle

    Loving Memory of Joe Sudol

    Silence was a great indicator that something was wrong. No emails or phone calls came from our long time friend. We were unable to communicate with him in any way. Just recently, we saw a post on another site, that forced us to realize our greatest fears. Our friend had passed. The purpose of this message is to memorialize Joe Sudol, in the best way we can. Although Joe lived in the area for much longer than many of you, he was not well known. Joe had a few close friends, but did many things for people in the community that went unnoticed, by his own design. One example of this was a young man that did yard work and wanted to attend the police academy. At that time, the candidates needed to pay for their own uniforms, as well as other expenses. Joe and another man got together and provided these items. What seemed like a long time passed, and Joe being Joe, began to wonder if he had been taken. One day, he was told that someone was at the gate to see him. Joe approached the gate to find a newly installed member of the local police force, grinning at him. While Joe would never purchase a drum for a school age child, claiming there were far too many already, Joe silently did more than his share, in a very direct manor. When my friend Alison gave me a sad example of the need for shoes, for school age children. Joe helped me to deliver the containers of shoes that my husband and I shipped in our container. Many were handed out through the dental unit through Mario and Linda, but Joe knew the need on the back roads. Many shoes were tried on and handed out via the tailgate system of our pickup truck. Joe also enlisted the help of Rod, who owned a shoe factory, in bringing in shoes to help our "soles for souls" project. Joe helped me get settled into our new home, while Jim was back in Missouri for the first six months. He taught me how to shop, showing me the ropes of David. He mowed, hung pictures and taught me how to cook in the Panamanian style. He showed me how to plant my first pineapple top and later shared it with me. Joe loved nature, feeding dogs and hawks alike. He had a special love of hawks and claimed he never observed them taking out birds, sharing their space, as the hawks were well fed. Joe knew all the out of the way places to fish and enjoyed going there on his own. He loved the beaches. He loved the people. He loved life. He and I shared a history of retiring from teaching. Financial planning was another one of his professions, in later years. Joe enjoyed that back roads on his motorcycle and would travel into areas most expats had never seen. If you had discussions with Joe, you know that you were not likely to change his opinion on anything, anytime soon. Hopefully, he approves this memorial and is smiling down, with a good cigar in his mouth. Kira and Chelsea, I know he will live on forever in your hearts. With the best of memories, friends Abby and Jim Lofgren
    4 Points
  23. Phyllis Mc

    Don't be Afraid! Learn Spanish.

    I was in a taxi in Panama City trying to talk to the driver. I had only lived in Panama a few months at the time and the driver spoke as much English as I spoke Spanish. Not much, but some. I tried to tell him that the drivers in Panama City were crazy and that I was afraid to drive my own car. I told him:"Tengo mierda." He slapped his leg and laughed. "Shiit," he said. "Shiiiiiiiiiiit!" Mierda means shiit. Miedo means afraid. I have lots of other stories of how not to speak Spanish. I can't tell you the number of times that I said something that I thought was Spanish and a Panamanian had no idea what I was trying to say. Learning a new language is both painful and funny. And valuable, if you are planning to live here. I recognize that the younger you are, the easier it is to pick up a new language. The younger you are, the easier it is to pick up anything. Dancing, cooking, skiing, reading, and algebra. OK, maybe not algebra. Only geeks pick up algebra easily. I think people who learn algebra easily have a genetic abnormality that allows them to absorb fairly useless information and then find a way to make it usable. But I digress. Speaking Spanish helps you navigate life here in the restaurants, stores, and community. You can order food, ask directions, tell someone you need help, and tell your workers what you need done. You can chit-chat on the corner with Boqueteños you have met instead of just saying "hola" and quickly walking on. The Boqueteños will respect you for speaking Spanish. Even if you can barely get your idea across, you are trying. You are valuing them enough to make the effort to learn their language. Believe me, it goes a long way (even if you have to use Charades and Spanglish.) Now that you are motivated, where do you start? There are teachers or schools here who will get you on the right path. I've seen private teachers advertise on Boquete News. Habla Ya usually offers reduced rates in September. Duo-lingo is a free online language program and it is pretty good. I've heard good things about Rosetta Stone. The big difficulty with these programs is making yourself do it every day. For those of us who don't don't commit to adhering to a daily schedule, it won't work. If you're paying someone to teach you, you'll most likely show up. When I first got here, I took an immersion class. I spent five hours a day taking individual lessons in Panama City. My favorite Spanish phrases were: "No entiendo." or "Como se dice?" I experienced huge headaches on a daily basis. I often cried out of frustration. I learned a lot of Spanish. It was a wonderful experience. Here's some other ways to teach yourself the language. * Read children's books in Spanish. * Listen to Spanish songs. Play one song over and over until you can pick out the words. i especially like Besame Mucho. La Bamba is also popular. * Force yourself to speak to the Boqueteños in town. Expect to be misunderstood or have a good laugh at your own expense. It's a bonding experience. * Pay a local to talk to you for an hour. You are not paying for a teacher, just someone to practice with, so you can work with any native speaker. * Watch telenovelas on TV. The actors speak more slowly and clearly than Boqueteños do. * When watching shows in English, use Spanish sub-titles. This will help you learn new words. It is how I learned that "cabron" and "Cabra" mean two different things. One of these words isn't something you want to call a man. At least not to his face. * Check this out on you-tube. It recommends You Tube videos to learn Spanish. https://www.brainscape.com/blog/2011/04/youtube-channels-learn-spanish/ * Learn the most common nouns, verbs and phrases first. Practice them throughout the day. Put stickies around the house with your new words on them so you see them all the time. Think of how a child learns their language- through repetition. You will need to learn and say a new word over and over again until your brain can spit it out again easily. Laugh at yourself and your mistakes. Don't give up. Rendirse es para los cobardes. Giving up is for sissies.
    4 Points
  24. Bud

    Asalto en El Salto?

    Keith, with regard to your last sentence: as the Brits would say "spot on, chap". There are some interesting "lessons to be learned" here on the part of the organizations that work on security matters. There is the immediate "news" type reporting that would have few details, and be as close to real time as possible. Some people would dismiss this kind of reporting, but I submit that there is value in the "news" kind of report for two basic reasons: to alert people in the area to be on guard for their own security, and/or if alerted early on and someone hearing the report was in the area, then perhaps they might see something of interest that could be valuable (the direction of a certain car leaving at high speed, for example). After the "news" type immediate reports, then there are investigations, and all the other kind of reports that people talk about. One thing that Rodny has been very good about is his alerts. They may not be perfect, but they are better than nothing. AaC and RD, among others, get to decide how they operate and what their policies are, and should do so given concerns about privacy and statutory requirements, etc. But I remain firm in my opinion that "news" reports (aka alerts) of criminal activity are of value and I wish to see them. And then I really am dreaming here by wanting every crime to be reported in the public domain. My opinion is that such information would result in a huge public support for better resources for the police, and better laws for them to work with as tools to keep us as safe as can be reasonably expected. The bottom line, however, remains that each of us is responsible for our own security. No police person can ever be at a crime scene "in time", even if they had a vehicle that traveled at the speed of light. The one exception to the speed of light rule would be if the police person is the victim or just happened to be at the scene when it started. Faster alerts with as much information as possible are in the public interest.
    4 Points
  25. Twin Wolf Technology Group

    Who Is In This Picture?

    Kudos to Dottie for getting the title renamed and simply saying "I see your point... sorry". It is so refreshing to be able to have a discussion with different points of view without the bitterness and attacks. Virtual pat on the back and gold star Dottie. I like this place.
    4 Points
  26. 4 Points
  27. Jay Stuart

    All Over the Map: Boquete, Miami & Montreal

    T h e O l g a & W a l t e r S h o w
    4 Points
  28. Bonnie

    Interesting article on expatriation

    A friend sent me this article today about the trials and tribulations of expatriation. I thought perhaps we all could benefit from reading it. http://www.thecultureblend.com/?p=2473
    4 Points
  29. Franagain

    Expatriate colonization in Panama

    Be assured, there is a growing number of people who are very interested and concerned about the influx of hustlers disguised as Christians.
    4 Points
  30. Bonnie

    Expatriate colonization in Panama

    I find it interesting too, Bud, as there is a lot of interest in this locally. I'm inclined to think that, given the short attention span of many people, the article may have been too long to spark their interest. Another possibility is that folks are afraid of ruining afoul of the forum rules in responding since this topic has generated such strong feelings. It is possible to discuss the issue without getting into personal attacks. And I think Mr. Jackson's history lessons are an essential element when considering the influx of evangelicals or Endtimers to our community. Those who have taken a live-and-let-live attitude toward these people should be fully aware of the threat that such extremists pose to the rest of us. Mr. Jackson suggests that their coming here in droves is not a matter of amusement because, and I quote, The writer offers examples of how this type of activity on the part of radical expatriates, who consider themselves to be sovereign powers exempt from Panamanian laws, threatens us all if and when they gain the attention they are seeking because they may come to be seen as representative of expats in general.
    4 Points
  31. For the record, JLM has offered to put our ad back up on Boquete,ning. We politely declined. We will use future marketing funds to sponsor Lance Armstrong on his next Tour de France competition.
    4 Points
  32. Brundageba

    BanNING Ning, at least newning

    In the time it took to place FOUR posts on Ning, Planet Telecom's Response to NING advertising Renewal was gone.....vanished. Try figure how non-Boquete conspiracy theory essays that have not one iota to do with life here in Boquete can last 4 pages...and with the urging of the ole guard to moderate that diatribe over there. Ambreen seemed to enjoy being asleep at the wheel with such posted content and replies. Well I guess she is guarding the nest now. Al's was zapped in a millisecond. Chica's insertion of a letter promoting Ning's advertising written by Ambreen Ghazi contains mis-information to prospective advertisers I'd say. Advertisers will leave as quickly as we all did, watch. Thy will follow Alain's Planet Telecom out.
    4 Points
  33. Brundageba

    Interesting article on expatriation

    GREAT article !!! Very well written and so very true. You'll be caught by surprise. The very folks you thought would die with you here will be leaving next year....the best of friends go. The newest ones can be at your throat in a second because they have "better ides", "better ways of doing stuff' and can't stand the way you think or do things. ( you've become "local") In time if you stay ...you slow down, you become a bit more tolerant, you roll with the punches and get over being upset about stuff here quicker. So much of it really doesn't matter. In time we forget about the conspiracy theories we talked about all the time and they don't matter either. Suddenly what matters is the beauty of the sunrise and sunset, good health, fresh air, a loving husband, great neighbors and a sweet dog. You stay....you're content. Life's good.
    4 Points
  34. Bonnie

    How Many People Are Left To Get Banned On The .ning?

    Pretty soon most of us who have been around the longest and therefore have the best information and advice to offer will be gone from boquete.ning. That's a loss not only to ning but also to newcomers and to those exploring Boquete as a possible retirement destination. It looks as though it soon will enter the ranks of International Living and other publications that unconscionably, unethically entice people abroad without being honest about the realities.
    4 Points
  35. They make it sound so easy. Only 4 hours to Houston, 2-1/2 hours to Florida from Panama City! What they don't say is first you have to get to Panama City, then wait maybe 4 hours for your next flight, because if you don't take the early flight from David, you will miss the international flight. So a 4 hour trip to Houston, factoring in the time of driving to David and all the waiting, is actually 12 hours. It took me 16 hours to get to San Antonio, and 19 hours altogether to get to Seattle. You're right B, it is hype.
    3 Points
  36. TwoSailors

    Keeping It Classy On Boquete.ning

    Ok now! Let's all get along, and move along, to our great life here in Panama. This discussion has been beat to death and frankly I don't give a dam what they do on Boquete ning anymore! That's why we have this awesome site: Chiriqui Life! Right? And now, back to our regularly scheduled program! PLEASE!
    3 Points
  37. JudyS

    Death in Panama: Dying at Home

    Bonnie Williams mentioned to me that some people have commented to her that they think the procedure followed for someone dying in Boquete (at home) is different than what she explained in her post about Larry dying in the hospital in David. Having just gone through that experience of my husband dying at home, I want to say that except for a few details, what she explained applies to a home death too. Here is the procedure I went through. It might be useful to know. Sam's death was not unexpected. He was not sick in the sense of needing doctors and ongoing medical care, so he did not have an ongoing relationship with a doctor. If a person dies without a doctor having known his condition, the police can get involved, and an autopsy can be ordered to rule out a crime. Wanting to avoid such a horror, I called Dra. Diaz and asked her to come and examine Sam so she could verify his condition, make a record, and establish a relationship, however brief. It was worth the effort, because when he died, I called her to pronounce it, and everything went smoothly - no police, no autopsy. If you do not have a relationship with a doctor in Boquete, make an appointment and get examined to establish a medical record so the doctor will know who you are if you die. Prior to Sam's death a person from hospice who is fluent in Spanish called the funeral home to alert them. She called them again when he died, and asked them to pick up his body. Dra. Diaz filled out the Report of Death which I gave to the driver of the hearse. I did not have to do anything, and I did not pay until I picked up the ashes. I did not have to go to the funeral home or to the Tribunal Electoral. The funeral home (Retiro, the same one Bonnie used - excellent professional operation) took care of everything - transporting the body from my house to David, transporting the body to Panama City for cremation, bringing the ashes back to David, and getting the death certificates from the Tribunal. There was a 2-day turn around time. They called me when they had the ashes. I went to David and paid them in cash, collected the ashes and the death certificates, and went home. Different funeral homes might have different procedures. I know only about the procedures of Retiro and would recommend them, because they made the whole experience stress-free and dignified. Above all, if a death is expected, get Boquete Hospice involved. Their help and support was beyond valuable. I don't know what I would have done without them.
    3 Points
  38. JudyS

    Flu Shots

    I got the flu shot at the policlinica this morning. I only had to wait about 10 minutes. The vaccine includes H1N1 and it was free. To find the room where they give it, go in the front door (the big blue and white building across from the bomberos), past the reception booth, turn left. Then turn right and go to the end of that hall. There is a room there right next to the glass doors that say "electrocardiograma". You will see someone at the desk who will take your information. I gave her my pensionado card and a copy of my passport.
    3 Points
  39. Jim and Judi

    US Notary Rules and Virtual Notarization

    I don't have a ning membership any longer so thought it would be helpful to post this here and remind folks to be very careful about virtual notarizations. I noticed on ning that Olga has offered to notarize a document for someone while she is in Florida and the individual in Boquete. She claims that " There are ways of doing that in today's technology times." Some states do allow virtual notarization (not Florida) however, many organizations will not accept them even if from a state where they are allowed. Best to check in advance to see if a virtual notarization, from a state in which they are allowed, will be accepted. Directly from Florida's Dept of State: May I notarize a signature without the person being present if another person swears that the person signed the document? No! The Notary Section receives frequent inquiries about "notarizing a person's signature by subscribing witness." Evidently, some notaries believe that it is permissible to notarize a signature when the person is not present if someone who witnessed the signing of the document appears before the notary and swears that the person actually signed the document. Some states, like California, do, in fact, allow such notarizations, but Florida does not. Misunderstanding may also stem from a section in Florida law that provides a method by which instruments concerning real property may be entitled to recording in Florida when the document signer cannot appear before a notary to acknowledge his or her signature. You may hear this procedure referred to as "proof of execution by subscribing witness." Not only is a Florida notary not permitted to notarize virtually, they are also not permitted to notarize any document while outside the state of Florida. This is pretty much standard for all notaries in all states, with a few exceptions.
    3 Points
  40. Twin Wolf Technology Group

    Ning Wants Donations?

    I believe that Lee used to pay for Ning annually every year in July. The current Ning hosting fee based on having more than 1,000 members and less than 10,000 memebers is $600 per year. It appears that all of the old sponsors have not renewed their advertising. Currently there are two local sponsors and one non-local sponsor listed, all of which appear to be fairly new ads. For awhile there was an ad giving an email address to write to if you wanted to be an advertiser (sponsor); however that email address in fact did not exisit. After a few weeks it was removed. My guess would be that as it is time to pay the annual hosting fee, they will be looking for sponsors and/or donations. It would not surprised me to see JLM asking members for donations. Perhaps the long term "Ning is awesome" cheerleaders can now put money to their words and help pay JLM for the service it provides. Without enough revenue from advertising, they will need to find another source of revenue to cover the basic costs of hosting and whatever they are paying Ambreen and Olga. I doubt JLM will continue to just give the Boquete Ning forum to the community as a free service if they do not find a way to either make money or at least cover expenses. It is a reminder to all Chiriqui Life members that community forums like this one have expenses. Those that use this forum owe Bud and Marcelyn a big thank you as they donate the entire cost of hosting and operating this forum.
    3 Points
  41. Woody

    Let's Not Do Politics

    Earlier this year, I started blocking my FB friends who overdo it with political comments. I'm really hopeful that I can unblock them after the elections. p.s. I'm not happy with how we are being governed, and I'm not happy about our choices for future governance, but the social networks, including CL, will lose their intended purpose if political discussions are uncontrolled. I use the comment blocks in the internet news stories to vent my steam, and those comments are only read by people who want to read them.
    3 Points
  42. Great information and great presentation. Thanks from all animal lovers.
    3 Points
  43. Roger B

    Education in Panama

    Phyllis First, I must apologize for my bad english. I am a better writer and have better redaction skills in spanish and I am so proud of it. I do agree with you that "Opinions are only that.... opinions, but not facts." I will be interested in knowing if you have had the oportunity to visit some schools in Chiriqui, Azuero provinces and Panama City to have an unbiased and real opinion. Is in the field where we could get the real feel and taste of what is hapenning. My scientific training and education has taught me that I only should believe in facts that I could see and confirm. Newspaper articles. Yes, sometimes they are good and sometimes they have their particular agenda. It depend mostly on the owners and who is in the government. Some news are right and correct and other just some half truth just to follow and editorial line with politics goals. With this I am not denying that there is a problem in the educational system in Panama. I am not blind. I admit it. That we must do something soon and do the changes required for a modern education but hold on, that is not a blank check for new theories that need a better and deep scrutiny of the people who really knows about this subject. Some changes proposed are not as good as we thought and I have read some of those past proposal. Teacher and educators should leave their political position and work to a common goal as a country not for any specific political party in the improvement of the education system in the country. Being myself a harsh critic of any government policy that doesn't think and work beyond government's five years period in power, I know that the way we are educating our young people is not the one what we need as a country that is looking for becoming a better and "developed" country. The country will continue its growth despite of what we say or think but the real problem is the balance of the oportunities. The "democratization of the education". Only the kids that graduates from private schools will have the biggest chance of a better education and better quality of life. The others, if they dont do something by themselves will be forced to have a poor education level and as a consecuence of that their chances of having a good job and better quality of life will be very limited. It is not a matter if I am right and you are wrong. This goes beyond who is right or wrong. It has to do with REAL facts. Facts that some people in this country face everyday and sees them everyday. I am still active working and walking around business Panama and what we see and feel is real. Despite of that, I am not pesimistic. I still have high hopes in some young people in Panama and their good education they have.
    3 Points
  44. Brundageba

    Asalto en El Salto?

    Certainly gets my attention ! Just blasting through a huge glass window at a moving target ...then shooting again ( most likely) is horrifying. Makes you realize how very vulnerable we are here and as well makes us give pause to think about how our future might look moving forward. ( we're not getting any younger !) Until this last one, we NEVER discussed selling and leaving. Now we consider it. I doubt we will for as long as we are active surfers here....but at this point departure is up for grabs on the discussion table. Keith Woolford told my husband and I to get the DVD "City of God" and look at it. True stories about the youth gangs surrounding Rio in Brazil. We did get it and I can say it was an eye opener . All of a sudden you get a glimpse of the mentality of these kids and the evolution of lawlessness. It's BIG TIME serious business and not to be taken lightly. If this country does not do something quick, it will be very difficult to unravel here. Rio is the example of just that.
    3 Points
  45. Just my opinion, but making public statements which denigrate others in response to a few questions about the organization and it's plans isn't going to win AAC any friends. On another forum some detractors of Alto al Crimen (the usual suspects, no longer on .ning so far as I know) responded to the news item introducing Franc Lugo with some questions and comments that appeared to be based on the assumption that the board of directors of Alto al Crimen just climbed down off a load of turnips and begain administering a Panama foundation. On the off chance that some others may have similar questions, I am posting my reply on this forum also.
    3 Points
  46. Roger B

    Free advice offered.

    I will explain this pic that talks about problems in communication in any project 1. How it was explained by the customer 2. How it was understood by the project leader 3. How it was designed by the Analyst 4. How the product was programmed 5. How it was described by the business consultant 6. What is actually documented of the product and the project 7. What has been installed for the operation 8. What was charged or invoiced 9. The product support 10. What the customer really needed. COMMUNICATION IS A MUST.
    3 Points
  47. Penny

    Tomorrow at the BCP

    Today’s presentation at the BCP Tuesday talks was the culmination of much planning and work by Penny Ripple and her team. The speakers came from all over Panama; two of them rode the bus all night from Portebello arriving in Boquete (3 buses later) at 6 AM. It took a lot of work to put together the excellent slide show. What in the world motivates you people to stand up and start talking and heading to the exits about 10 minutes before the presentation is over. Did you not know the speaker was still trying to speak? This is unbelievable rudeness and I’m ashamed of all of you. I am the person responsible for getting great programs and great speakers into the BCP meetings and it’s no easy task. In the future, if you can’t stay to the end and give the presenters some respect, please don’t come. And, if you’re going to stand in the doorway blocking it while you argue about the $1 admission fee, please also don’t come. Penny Barrett
    3 Points
  48. Bonnie

    Is Ambreen real?

    Could this be the one? http://www.zdatamatics.com/about-me.html If so, she's located in Mumbai.
    3 Points
  49. Franagain

    Banned From Ning

    FEEL FREE TO COPY AND USE
    3 Points
  50. I just received a notice that we should as a group of US citizens, voice our concerns to the US embassy here that we are subject to crimes committed against us. My take? My take is...they will say to you " You are no longer in Kansas. We have no authority here. Register with us and we can send you notices and can inform your next of kin if you are in a bad way here. Otherwise we can only sympathize and offer you our empathy that you are living in a country where crimes are committed against you" I say this because we got the same exact speech from an embassy rep who in fact did come to our home up in the mountains of Colombia back n the 70's. Bill and I had bought a home in Colombia. A mountain hut basically. We were in our 20's then. On a border run to renew our visa, I was taken off the street by a policeman and ushered into the station and into a back room and told to strip naked before the cleaning lady. I found it a bit of an un-nerving experience to tell you the truth...(and so did the cleaning lady I might add!) We were let go but wrote to our US congressmen. The result was the visit. The US Embassy guy said in essence: "you are on your own here... If you find yourself in jail, we can bring you a Reader's Digest"....his exact words ! Keep in mind, we were hippys, pot was all new and all so prevalent in Colombia. He was just saying ..."watch your peas and Qs !" OK so now we are ole farts on Soc Sec with a house and cars. I suppose we "look rich"...hey we ain't. That said if the Embassy guy were to visit us today he'd say....."Gringo ole fart, watch your peas and Qs" What stuck was...."you are on your own here" Don't kid yourself. The US government is NOT the Panama Rep govt. You live here and are at the mercy of the system as it exists. Better just hunker down, low profile it...secure yourself and stay safe...as safe as you possibly can. That means staying informed...and protected, and never let down your guard. ....just sayin and only my take on that recent notice.
    3 Points